I’m here for 1 reason and 1 reason only

to help warn people about the abusive mlm industry. If I drive my car down a road that has a sign that states it’s a superhighway and after traveling a short distance I drive off a cliff instead, you can bet I’m going to stand at the entrance to that “superhighway” and try to wave other drivers off. This club along with several other anti sites have successfully kept 6 would be recruits I have sent to them from joining an mlm and by God it’s worth it even if it was just 1. I’m relatively active in this club and I spend about 10-15 minutes each day reading the posts and occaisionally responding but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have many hobbies and activities which have nothing to do with scams or even the Internet. I will gladly move on when the last mlm gets shut down.

Well, I for one

though I do not participate very often, need this forum just to stay connected to those of which I may need their help one day.
Simply because I have a best friend/sister in the AmQuix, and I am always hopeful that one day she will wake up and I will be there with the right things to say when she does..and I will know what the right things are to say are because every day I read everyone’s post here. So, no matter, whatever the reason for people’s continued posting, if even to vent, it is a much needed arena. At least as long as AmQuix and companies like them exist.

Essentially, it depends upon your goals and your role in the forum

I, for one, joined this forum for help with understanding what had happened over the course of my 5+ years of involvement in MLM and what I was likely to expect in the future. This forum helped me and my wife in that regard. The previous owner of this forum had been involved in Amway and various MLM web sites and discussion forums for about 15 years when she decided to move on to other things entirely.
She had been involved in a lot of unseen efforts to expose the abuses of AQMO organizations and their equivalents in other MLM companies. So the breadth of her activities were (and could still be) wider than (for instance) mine. I simply moderate a couple of online forums about MLM. Hardly something that dominates my day.

But I do appreciate the notion of “moving on.” There’s an old adage about getting on the boat to go across the river and how useless being on the boat can get if you never get off on the other side of the river.

But neither you nor I define what “the other side” is for anyone here. It is a personal thing, not something that can be dictated. So for this forum, it’s best, I think, that we are simply here and that people can come and go as they think best.

But if you think *I* should be one who moves on, we can talk about ownership and moderation duties of this forum. I mostly enjoy doing this, but I could let it go if I knew someone would continue it in a responsible way. That’s the main reason Ruth entrusted me with this forum. She knew I wouldn’t ruin it. I intend to honor her trust in me, and I hope to follow the same path with the next owner.

(Until there are no more victims of MLM, this forum will need to exist, and there will need to be someone responsible at is helm.)

Again, it depends on what is being said and who the audience is

If you have a web site up and you post stuff without much conversation or interaction, then the exercise can be seen as self-serving.

A simple numbers comparison is all that is necessary to show you the apples-vs.-oranges nature of your contention:

How many people are impacted by the girl and her ex-boyfriend, their words and actions?

I have gotten Google Alerts from people named “Amway.” You’re right – there’s something wrong with that.

Could be, depending upon what is being said and who the audience is

In this forum, we have a large member list that is growing every day. Granted, lots of the new members are spammers who joined but have not posted (yet), but there are many who join simply to read the messages and not necessarily participate. And if they DO participate, there are people here to interact with them.

So are you suggesting that there should be a forum with no regular participants? No one who develops strategies to help those who may need help? No one to answer the questions that we see here nearly every single day? The clueless helping the clueless is what you’re suggesting? (I was going to use “blind,” but I thought “clueless” was cuter.)

After a point, could it be useful as a distraction?

I saw forum the other day that centered around someone’s exboyfriend of 4 years ago. And it was still active! She stated that the website had a “higher purpose” to protect others from the pain she went through. From reading the comments though, it was mostly about continued revenge against the ex (the actions and claims weren’t as congruent as she would like. The cause might be a great one I don’t know, and there’s nothing necessarily “wrong” with it. Be that as it may, I think it’s fair to say that most people wouldn’t associate her continued focus on the subject and running a forum named after the ex with someone being “over their ex”. When continually talking about a person for years and associating the Maslow human need of “connection with others” (via the forum), the topic is continually being reinforced and the assocation with the feelings keep strong like a muscle that is exercised.

Is the name of the ex in this case “Amway”? And who the hell named their kid that?

I submit that you’ll know you are “over it” when you’re able to move on and using the ex forum time for something completely fresh and new…for example, piano lessons!

If the goal of being involved in such a forum doesn’t include being able to move on and leave the forum, then I wonder if it’s being used as a distraction. I’m talking to myself here too by the way 🙂

And whether you even bothered to read the email

you were sent on joining this forum! Are you playing by OUR rules or are you upset because we don’t play by YOUR rules? This is our ball field. If you don’t like it, then go home!

Bravo. If you’re new, you’re still a guest in our home. Act as one. If you can’t, then you’re letting us know just what kind of people are in your organization.

And overall, VERY WELL said, Paine!


Unlike, for example, QS IBOs (and I’ve said many times how ironic IBO is because they aren’t independent, it’s not a business, and they don’t own squat), who are told to spend all their spare time on recruiting, we have lives. We spend time with our children. We go out and do things without having to watch for prospects. We pay the bills on time and can do it on a job that we can leave behind us at the end of the day.

It makes me wonder

People come in to this forum and are sent, on joining, an email that explains that. Yet they don’t read it and come in anyway, trying to pull us in with questions like, “Have you tried this? It sounds different,” or direct comments like that we are bitter and have no lives.

But they don’t even read the “Please read before posting” guidelines. It makes you wonder if the MLM people that come in here to recruit or argue can think independently at all or if they’re all brainwashed to the point where they think everyone should be in their way of life.